Dynamic Buildings?

[papalovebear]

Yay for buildings that are dynamic!

http://www.yahoo.com/s/906057

[papalovebear]

I think we need one of these in Org

[Mel/Slap]

Nice concept  but there is going to be Lots of engineers scratching thier heads over how to heat cool and the theres the matter of plumbing.  Something them archetects never think of. 

Firt time a river of waste lands in the street that building is no longer going to change shape.

[papalovebear]

well it's all prefabricated and centrally connected, so if you can develop a system of central plumbing and electrical then you're set.  No idea how that happens but they do :)

[Mel/Slap]

I know how its done.  But its real pricey and the current system has a few problems, so that we normally have to put exhaust fans in the central core area to keep it from getting back into the living quaters.  Most engineers prefer to have all the plumbing in the center core. To alivate this problem, but in the concept shown its going to be a mother bear.

The heat cool will prolly be done with indivual untis per condo.  That just leaves the waste and making sure your bathroom stay with your condo.

Oops sorry miss thought this was my bathroom.  ;D

[Apocunderurbed]

even with a centralized system its still practical impossible, minus the possibility of setting up a ring chamber inside the centralized structure at diffrent levels per floor for air, fuel and plumbing/refuse,  but this ould only work if the rooms rotated, moving vertically kinda kills this plan.  But then inside this exterior ring of the interior structure, everything drains to the core.

now this idea would make it very difficult to remain air tight or avoid leaks but the rings would be in 2 parts, the fix base to each right, and the top would be the piece that would slide with the building over top of each seperate ring with the connections into the apt.s.

i have diagrams but no scanner so use your own imagination....

[Apocunderurbed]

UUW UWW, another idea is for each unit to have its own mini system and instead of being completely random possitioning, the building is really set up on a grid with connections at each grid intersection where each unit would lock in.  then the units systems connect and exchange used for fresh air/ water/what ever


lol what happens with everyone wants to be on one side of the building and that shit tips over.... lololol.  lets all watch the fire works...  crack BOOOOM

[Kaelianna]

Wow,  I loved the idea of the building and the look 'til you guys started.  Thanks for ruining my vision.... =D

[papalovebear]

yea I was thinking that too almost like if you have a central area holding up campers where you have self contained units that simply need periodic "dumping" and replenishing energy use.

[Mel/Slap]

And they can forget about meeting LEED requirements, and getting a break on the energy costs.  This thing is going to leak air like a sive. and the amout of storage it would need I would hate to be the steel designer.  remimber water weighs 8.7 pounds per gallon.  Thats alot of weight moving around.  even if they just stored and dumped dailey.  Most folks just about 60 gallons a day approx.  Some more some less. thats a lot of grey water sloshing around.

[Benggal]

yea I was thinking that too almost like if you have a central area holding up campers where you have self contained units that simply need periodic "dumping" and replenishing energy use.

This is pretty much what I thought when the problem was first mentioned.  Campers/trailers do this all the time.  I don't see why it couldn't be adapted to this situation.  Basically it just needs to be designed so that every individual unit could seal off the plumbing and retract power connectors for the move, then lock in once the move is complete.  I'm not saying it's simple, but it's not impossible.

[Apocunderurbed]

well my first crappy idea would get rid of the periodic dumping of waste/water and air with the connection that moves with the apt.  weather thats realistic or not i dono. its the energy that im not sure about.  but i mean that whole wind enerty thing... with generators place though out the cylidrical center... might make it easier.  i dono

[papalovebear]

well the real problem I see if the vertical deflection with the building period and wind loads.  A building that tall has a ton of movment and the building type and shape would be as rigid as possible, however you are also having roating elements which weight differently so it is dynamic load to the extreme.  The structure alone would in my mind make this impractical and if you're on the top of the building in one of hte pods you are moving a ton laterally and rotating; it's like living in a gyrosphere.

[Mel/Slap]

Newton lawas of motion and this building are going to have fun.  and the rotating mass means you are going to have to design a load of so much per square foot in the penthouse and then force those residants not to overload their condos (yea right)  This thing looks pretty on paper and in a computer generated world but pratically now thats another story. 

Everyjoint and every beam is going to have to be soporated for both a dynmaic, staic and bending momemt.  That is almost impossible to do and espically when you consider that it all rotates around the center so the bending moment is in all three directions, Conreate cannot take tensile stress, Steel does good in Tensile but horrid in bending and composite materials dont bend they fracture.  so the internall structure of this thing is going to be what?

just a thought.

[KyndaSortah]

Sooo, umm, after you get home from work, how will you know which floor to take the elevator to?   :)