Dynamic Buildings?

[papalovebear]

Possibly the floor will come to you :)

[Apocunderurbed]

yah from the look of it, your apt will come pick u up at the bottom and then you will go find an open space to chill for the night.

with som tweaks to the building design, a counter weight system of some sort could be constructed such as ball baring type weights to counter the dynamic aspects of the building as well as the wind forces on the building, at first thats what i thought the (wind power papellers ) were going to be.

the fact that they are trying to turn apts into the wankavator is kinda scary to me.

also i dont think the 3k per square foot will cover the maintainence and upkeep of one of these places if the building survives more than 5 years.  a track system to supposed the movement of a horizontal load of that size i dont see lastin all that long,  but then i never really agreed with physics

[Benggal]

I believe you mean Wonkavator.  Wankavator would be something completely different.  And possibly sticky.

[~Aster Blaster~]

Hmm, skimming through the thread as I've been gone for about a week now... seeing as I'm a civil engineer focused on roads and hydro my opinion might be kinda moot on this, but heres the issues I see that I'll throw out there.

Friction - Lube isn't just handy for sex, but when you have moving parts you have to keep them oiled/greased, or extremely well buffed at all times.  The amount of moving parts on this building would be extraordinary, and you would have to also institute breaks on them as well.  Accounting for momentum in high wind speeds would be a must, think of sitting on a chair, if you hold your arms out you move slower, but if u pull them in you spin faster, same concept, bigger scale.  What happens when everyone moves in to the center in the mornings to go downstairs?

Vibration - Moving parts always create vibrations, these can cause havoc on structural members, and could cause some deterioration.  Again while I'm not a structures person if I remember back to my college days concrete is one of the weaker materials to deal with vibrations due to microfractures... could be wrong here though.  Either way you have to dampen the vibrations, which could double as brakes.

Natural Disasters - Always a concern, but have fun figuring them out on a building that has internal moment forces everywhere.  Think about escape methods if you have a fire.  You don't want to send people down the elevator, but at the same if the fire is in the center of the building where the stairs are, what do you do if your above that floor?  A fire escape on the outside isn't feasible for a skyscraper past what?  7th floor maybe (not a structures person, back off)

Load Distribution - You have to balance it at all times, it's like a train load.  Trains tip over easily if improperly loaded, similar situation here.  You have to weigh each unit as it moves and have a computer calculating it at all times, not to mention a couple backups for that computer, and a couple back up power supplies for the entire building... a fast shutdown due to power outages or line breaks could bring the whole structure down.

In the end: Neat concept, don't recommend paying for it though :)  Bad part is they probably plugged the community and got them to vote to pass it and are probably getting tax kick-backs for a silly project that will cost probably 3 or 4 times what a normal high rise condo complex would cost, and probably won't bring in 3 or 4 times the annual tax revenue as a regular condo would.  Guess I'm just not an advocate of pushing the envelope, don't fix it if it ain't broke :)

[Zanzier]

*IF* this thing ever got built and worked (somewhat) as planned, I can see in the first year, at least one resident, bribing the person in control of this building on not having their condo face the sun in the A.M.........cause they're not 'a morning person'. :D

Also, you could tell who was on drugs cause they'd have they're faces plastered to the window thinking centrifugal
force was holding them there.  ;D

[papalovebear]

well it will probably be built.  And like most of the buildings there it will be paid for by incredibly rich people and will be fulled on the first day they take apps.  It's ridiculas but that's waht happens when you have too much money to know what to do with

[Apocunderurbed]

one of the apts is gonna fall off completely kills 17 and wounding 9 more.  then its going to get closed for reconsultation.  and then shut down perminately.  if it does get built i have a feelin that there will be a lot of changes made,.

[papalovebear]

No it's not that radical I don't think.  I think it will open and have many problems but like a building they will eventually be fixed.

[Mel/Slap]

Tell you what we will let the archatects design it and build it then us engineers can sit a safe distance away with the popcorn and laugh as it tombules to the ground.  I doubt servely they will fix all the phyics with this thing to make it work or it will be so cost prohibative as to not be feasable to build.

And yes aster Concrete and composites bothe hate Vibrations.  And Steel gets nice harmoics going.  the building could actually sing you to sleep.

[papalovebear]

haha whatever, we'll stamp the architectural drawings and make it look pretty.  Now how it works and stands up, hell we don't give a shit engineers stamp that.  If anything the architects will be sitting back enjoying popcorn and when shit happens we will gladly meet up with you for lunch between the engineer's court trials.

[Kaelianna]

Thats what's nice about not having a background in all that building stuff.  I can look at the building and be fascinated by it and not get into the why, what and how's of the whole thing.  

I can honestly say, however, I would not live in the damn thing because that many moving parts is gonna break and what are the consequences to that.

If we have all this architectural and engineering expertise in the guild, you guys should get together and create your own "new-age" building. 

[Mel/Slap]

Yea that would be a great idea we could call it RTC the Archatects and Engineers to the world.  Let see Papa can be the head art guy I can do the HVAC and Plumbing,  set Aster up as the civil end. and all we need to hire is and electrical and a Structrual and we are up and running. 

Of of course i have to pass my PE first.

Aster has to be edligable to take and pass her PE

And Papa has to pass the 2 day Artch test which I do not think hes eligable for yet.

But other then those little trival matters its in the bag.

[papalovebear]

It's 7 tests that the average person takes a couple month break between them so generally it's spaced over a year.

[Mel/Slap]

and when can you start to take the first one?

[Kaelianna]

Technicalities...  You build it, they will come :)